Creative Questions S02E01

Episode Transcript

Desiree: Welcome to Creative Questions. The podcast where we attempt to review various creative projects we ourselves are part of and, or other people’s unique creations in an attempt to celebrate the creative inspiration and all of us. I am Desiree Silver, your host and owner of New Nerd Novelties and # Own Your Weird lifestyle brand.

Liam: and I’m your co-host Liam Hewlett back at it again with a little bit of a more consistent approach. Now that the holidays are over.

Desiree: Hoping every two weeks, because this is going to get a little more difficult for me.

Liam: Something like that. Yeah, no promises. I never promise

Desiree: Yeah, he never promises no. So what have you been up to and how are you feeling?

Liam: I’m feeling okay. I’m I’m glad I’m on my holidays. Cause I’ve had my ups and downs for the last two weeks, but I haven’t had to worry about work because I’ve been on holiday. So I’ve been sleeping when I can. And however often I feel like it.

Desiree: That’s good. I heard that you guys had some rain, so the whole like driveway became an ice skating rink.

Liam: Yeah, that happened last night. You know, we’ve had some more snow last week too, and stuff like that, but

Desiree: It’s finally raining here. So finally I can park the car and get things done. It was a big grocery shop.

Liam: Yeah, it’s all melted now. Is it?

Desiree: Yeah, I think all of it, there was like little tiny islands left, but nothing, nothing major. So I’ve, I’m on my hell week. So that’s the week before my medication that happens every eight weeks. I didn’t remember until I felt like not good. . And then we looked at the calendar and went ,yep. I’m going to get my medication in a week.

So obviously I’m not feeling well, this whole sleeping and eating food thing doesn’t work out so well for me during that week. So that’s really annoying. So I’m kind of a little bit of a zombae. I get brain fog pretty bad. I listened to a song and I know the song name, and I know the artist, it took me halfway through the song before I figured out the artists name. That’s not exactly normal for me.

Liam: For me, I would just never happen. I don’t, I don’t remember artist’s names when it comes to music, like

Desiree: Mum likes to play games with their friends like that. I don’t know where that came from, but apparently she knows them all.

Liam: Yeah, she has a good memory for stuff like that.

Desiree:vShe said she took down all the Christmas stuff too.

Liam: Yeah. It’s a pretty bare in the house as we are mid transition between major holidays. So having gone from. The house being all Halloween to being all Christmas to now just being a house it’s different. Certainly strange. It feels empty.

Desiree: January is like depressing this year a little bit. And I think that’s mostly just because it’s no longer Christmas, I guess. I don’t know.

Taking down the decorations is always a little bit depressing.

Liam: Have you taken down your decorations?

Desiree:vNo, because they’re going to get packed. I didn’t really put much up, so Dori’s like, just leave it, pack it when you pack the decorations. I’m like, yeah. Okay. Makes sense. I’ve been attacking the spare room. Our spare room is called that because it was supposed to be a craft room, but mostly just has a whole lot of boxes and my stuff in it.

Liam: Becomes a de facto storage room.

Desiree: Yes. And I don’t like being in there because we had a kitty that was very sick and he peed in there a lot. So it smells like cat piss. I hate it. And no matter what I do it still does. Maybe when I get everything out of there, and I finally cleaned it, it’ll get out. I don’t know. We’re giving the land lady an extra month and her damaged deposits so she can figure it out.

But I’ve been in there going through my stuff for days. And I don’t like being in there, but I bought myself a paper shredder and I’ve been having a lot of fun, shredding important paperwork from 2003. I graduated in 2003.

Liam: Lord. Yeah. What’d you keep from 2003 and move through all those different houses.

Desiree: T4 tax documents. Yeah. An Dori’s like shredded, anything from 2014 onward.

Uh, before that like 2014 and all, and before. There’s a lot of stuff. I needed a shredder. Cause if I went and got the shredded, it would probably cost me quite a bit. So I’m just going to do it myself.

LIam: Yeah. That’s something that you’ll need for business as it is anyway. So might as well.

Desiree: Well, I got one of the ones that, that it’s not the obscene cross cutter. So it’s like a little mini confetti. It’s like the little longer confetti, but not like just strips. And you can use those as packaging. So I also bought it so I can put some colored paper through there and make the packaging stuff for my business too.

Liam: Why not? You can probably use it for crafts and confetti and stuff like that too. So multipurpose.

Desiree: Dori said him and a roommate a long time ago bought like the really expensive one that cuts up CDs. And they just fed it CDs for the hell of it for like days just to make confetti.

Liam: That’s uh, the will it blend? Style of entertainment where it’s just like, I’m just going to put stuff in this thing that I have, and it’ll chop it up into little bits. Does it need to be? Meh whatever .I won’t miss it.

Desiree: Like, apparently it takes credit cards, but I want to use those for crafts. And I also don’t want to dull the machine. So I’m like, I’m just going to put paper in it, just paper. But yeah. So I felt like that was my Friday night. I’m so exciting. You know, I’m, I’m sitting there shredding paper on a Friday night.

So I posted on Facebook. My friends are all like shredder memes from the ninja turtles and like, yeah, maybe I’ll make myself the hat and feel better.

But yeah, I, um, mom’s nail artist over there in Kamloops. She loves mom’s wallet so much that she wanted me to make one custom for her. So she contacted me on Instagram and we’ve been working on making her have full-sized coffin wallet. She wanted some of the cool purple coffin bat fabric. I got from this company, Brittalicious designs, and she’s actually Canadian she’s from the island.

And so we decided I want to make stuff out of this fabric for quite a while, but it’s pink and purple. So it’s a little bit pastel and you know, I’m not a huge pastel fan, but I’m still really liking this fabric. So I’m glad I found somebody I could make something for with it .Cause I’m excited. I used glow in the dark too on the inside, and I made a special edge paint in matching colors that glows in the dark too.

So I went overboard and now it might be the first thing I ship out as a business because it’s going to be a while before I can get up there. And she’s super excited. So I think I might ship it. I’d probably go to Ontario first, but it’ll probably get there pretty quick.

Liam: Well, if you send a Canada post, it definitely will go to Ontario first.

Desiree: That avoids the Coq, so it might work out. Okay. Cause that, that highway is all washed out. Right? Come from Alberta. It’ll be fine.

Yeah, that was me. And usually whenever I get commissions, you know, I do three of everything and three or seven. So that’s my numbers. I did three more. So I did two with that. Cool. Purple coffin and back. And then I did one with another one of Brittalicious designs. That’s cupcakes with eyeballs on it. And donuts that look like zombies and that one’s a red and lime green. Interesting combo there. So I’ve got pictures of that one, actually that I sent over when you’re going to put in the link dump. And that, that one’s my favorite. Well, I like all three, but I’m not sending pictures of the, just made ones because if someone buys something from me, I want them to be the first to see it. Then when they see it I’ll post it, that’s just the way I like it, you know, make a little surprise, right.

Because I put so much work into it, but for this one, with the cupcakes and the donuts, I actually cut out one of the cupcakes and I made that, that the closure and I cut out one of the donuts and I made that the strap closure and I was pretty happy with myself because it looks cool.

Liam: Yeah. That’s clever. Incorporate the pattern in it. Okay.

Desiree: And then the next couple of pictures I have there, uh, I guess I’m talking about my stuff first. Cause I just bulldoze that whole thing, but I’m doing it. I bought a bunch of vinyls and the way pre-order works is they send it off to China and then it comes back in and then they ship it from me from the states.

So things take eight weeks. The fastest, when I order custom vinyl or custom fabric, this one I’ve been waiting for this stash end of July, August. So I just got it. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but I’m really happy. It’s 16 rolls of vinyl and they’re pretty cool. I got pictures there. There’s Pentacles and skulls and skulls wearing Santa hats.

Liam: Just in time for the holidays,

Desiree: Krampus.

Yeah, I know next year. I got three Christmas ones in there. I got one with like angry snowman and pastels.

Liam: Looking at these pictures that really reminds me of the wrapping paper orders that we used to make. And, um, when we were in elementary school.

Desiree: Man. If I could get those as vinyls, I buy some of those. They were really pretty.

Liam: Yeah, there were a whole companies that, uh, there was a similar racket to when the boy Scouts sold popcorn, where it was like a fundraising thing for the kids too.

Desiree: Yeah. Or girl guides.

Yeah. And it was really high quality wrapping paper and it always came with samples on the back. And then I would always ask for all the samples and then I’d make crafts out of the paper. Cause it was just so good.

Liam: I remember doing that as well, making ornaments and stuff like that out of the samples of those things.

Desiree: One of the first things besides cards, you know, recycled cards, Christmas cards that I made things out of for like our family members for Christmas. Yeah. If I could totally get some of those prints, I would.

Liam: There were a lot of programs like that. now that I think about tied with our elementary school education, like the Scholastic book order, for example.

Desiree: Yeah. Which I wish they had a version for, for adults because I’d be so there.

Liam: Good. Considering the price of books, I’m just, I’d probably have to purchase them digitally nowadays. They’re just a physical copy. Books are not cheap. And I go through them so quick. So, well,

Desiree: That was the thing with the Scholastic book club is it was cheaper too, because some of those books children’s books going be expensive, so they were cheaper. And then there was also the coupon big tomes too, which no one really used.

Liam: And they were generally localized. So they would have a bunch of coupons for local places. Right.

Desiree: Yeah.

Liam: A coupon book. Just like a coupon tome, really that the community would promote. And so a whole bunch of like mom and pop operations, but also the big chains would put coupons in those books.

I remember those, I haven’t seen one of those ages. I mean, just, you get a promo code digitally, nowadays. Don’t need to do that.

Desiree: And we’re a little different than the states have coupons too, is like, they’re not honored quite the same way. So it’s kind of like if it’s Tuesday on a full moon and your stand on one leg and then you can use it.

Liam: Until next week.

Desiree: Yeah. And it expires, there is no such thing as non expiring coupons. Yeah.

But yeah, I got all those vinyls and I’m really surprised at the lady that sent it to me. She managed to stuff them all in one box. Cause she said she could. So I ordered exactly the amount she could fit in one box. I can’t get them back in the box.

That’s like three of those roles still out of the box.

Liam: That’s finesse right there. She says she can do it. And she does it.

Desiree: She does it. Yeah. Don’t get in her way.

Liam: Yeah.

Desiree: But yeah, I’m looking at all these vinyls. I’m like, Ooh, I really want to make something, but I’m still trying to do other things right now. So I’ve got some sneaky peek, screenshots of the website too.

Liam: Yeah. I was wondering, I was like, it was looking pretty good. It’s not yet available to the public, but it looks nice. Yeah.

Desiree: It’s not live Teela is just finishing two more small minor things. What we’re doing is we’ve worked on the about us, which I guess I’ll have to add you to too as well, because you are a part of creative questions at some point. But my section of about us is done and then the creative questions section is done, but we’re also doing it like a blog post for each creative questions.

So that’s what that, the little, little, uh, section that it looks like it has tiles. Those are, what she did is linked the blog posts on the creative questions site, uh, section of the site so that you can go look at the pictures and then I’ve been working on the transcripts. So there’s transcripts there too, especially for those who are hard of hearing, so people can consume it however they want, which is really nice.

I want to be accessible. I spent most of this week doing that. So,

Liam: That’s a lot more effort than I would put in. So hats off to you.

Desiree: I want to be as accessible as possible. I mean, all of us are a little bit disabled, so it’s nice to, to give back to the community. And one day I hope when I do videos, I’ll learn American sign language, but that’s a long time in the future. So yeah. Once those are done, we’re gonna soft release the website.

So it’s just really going to have creative questions, the blog, and about us, not even the homepage, because the homepage would involve the the marketing the market on inside the web store. Yeah. And the web store, I can’t put up until we move. Cause I have to get a PO box and I have to change the address of the business.

Otherwise it’s just going to have, we’re going to have our personal information out there for the internet world, have our butts not covered, which is not good. Cause then you’ll wind up with all kinds of robo calls and I get signed up for every newsletter and people know where you live, which is not exactly the best thing.

So when I get a PO box in Kamloops, then we will be able to go live the store legal, legal wise. So

Liam: Well, the it site looks like it’s kinda coming along nicely. It’s looks fancy.

Yeah, I bought a, a package of skins basically for it last time Teela was here. We did a whole bunch of work on it. I’m really appreciative of how much work. I was going to go and she wanted me to make like those composition photos of the photos that we share with each other every week after I did the transcripts.

So she’d already done that for me. So that’s really nice, but that’s why I’d rather do Creative Questions maybe every two weeks, because now I’m going to have to do the transcripts and the combo photos in that blog post as well, which takes another couple hours. So

Liam: Yeah, well we only have so much energy, every so much energy in a day.

Desiree: Yeah, that’s true. Preaching to the choir. I don’t like this whole packing thing. I’d rather be creating stuff. That vinyl up there, I really want to do something with it, but what am I even doing? This!

Liam: Right? Yeah. For, for me, I painted my single miniature that I had said before was about an hour’s worth of painted and only required about an hour or an hour and a half more to finish.

So I did finish that. Uh, and it was necessary because it was a relevant character that I was pretty certain that the guys would run into during the next DND session. So our D and D session had been put back because of some miscommunication when it came to scheduling. But we had it instead just this last Sunday.

And it was a really good session. I had, it’s been almost a month since we had, our session, like in-between sessions because of all the holidays and like the scheduling conflicts and stuff. So it was nice to get back down at the table and have a session. And this one was very well planned ahead of time.

Cause I had a whole bunch of time and I didn’t even use all that time. Right. Like I’d been on vacation multiple times during that period of time. And so I had like, all the time in the world. I could have made an entire new universe during that time, but I didn’t need to do that. I painted a single miniature or made some really cool set piece terrain for an encounter.

They would have most likely in some way, shape or form, and really fleshed out the city and the people that they’re going to be interacting with as they investigate the antagonists that they’re pursuing in this city. And I think it turned out really well. There was some lore dumps that the guys have finally sort of scratched the surface of that have been in the works.

Like they they’ve been a part of the world. And one of the characters like central to one of characters, backstories, they’ve been there since practically the start of the campaign, but they haven’t really like learned about it. So for reference one of my player characters is a warlock. And what warlocks are, is they’re magical casters that get their powers from some sort of other worldly patron.

Most of the time that patron is someone of dubious repute or a being of dubious repute. Usually it’s the sort of thing where like, when you get your powers from some sort of Eldridge being that is unknowable and its motivations or alignment, generally, it’s great as a plot hook for the players and for the person running the game, because they’re getting their powers they’re on loan.

It’s not like a wizard who, his power, his knowledge, he’s literally a book learned spellcaster. Where so long as he’s read enough and can retain that knowledge, he knows how to cast the spells. Or a sorcerer who their powers from their bloodline, whatever their heritage might be. They get it.

It’s like a natural part of them, but warlock has literally gifted it. And there are many different ways they can be gifted it most of the time from other worldly powers that have their own agendas. So the warlock in my campaign is a celestial warlock in that he’s been given his power by some sort of celestial being rather than like a demon or an undead or Cthulhu or whatever. He’s was given it by some sort of good aligned divine being. And so I have at least put out the name of their patron and they like finally ran across it in this last session. So it’s, it’s cool that they have like a name to attach to the thing that’s giving them power, even if they don’t understand it’s like motivations or what it wants from them yet, but they’re at least starting to understand.

Desiree: I was pretty cool, but so are you saying that Dr. Strange, isn’t a sorcerer he’s actually a wizard?

Liam: If it’s book learned. Uh, but I think,

Desiree: Yeah,

Liam: Yeah, doctor Dr. Strange. I thought he was talking about doctor who I’m like doctor who it’s like it’s an inherent power, but Dr. Strange, it would be book learned. Yeah. He’d be a wizard.

Desiree: Yeah. He’d be a wizard because himself sorcerer Supreme ha.

Liam: Yeah. He’d be, he’d be a wizard. Definitely. He’d be like a textbook definition of a wizard too.

Cause it is all book learned and he augments his abilities with magical artifacts. That’s not something that comes just from him being him. Right.

Desiree: And he doesn’t get given it by some sort of mythical being or

Liam: Right. Whereas somebody like shazamm would be a sorcerer, right. Or potentially a warlock. I’m not super familiar with their background. But it was, yeah, it was given to them sort of like the blue beetle or whatever.

Desiree: Yeah.

Liam: Yeah. So that would be a warlock Shizam would probably be a warlock aid because they have their power given to them. But then somebody like almost any mutant in the X-Men universe, right. In the Marvel universe, those would be Sorcerers.

Desiree:So right. Like Jean Gray, for example. Uh,When she gets, when she gets the power of the Phoenix.

Liam: Yeah. Well that would be like a whole different kettle of fish. I don’t even know exactly what’s going on there. Depends on how it’s represented in what media.

Desiree: Yeah, I’m confusing myself, but that’s easy to do right now.

Liam: Right. Those are like the, the, the main spell casters, like arcane spell casters of D and D fifth edition. And in my party of four, I’ve got a wizard and a warlock, and then I’ve got, there are divine spell casters. So when people that are, their power is through like faith or nature or whatever it might be, and not through their smarts, but through their wisdom. And so I’ve got two of those. So I have, I have four spell casters in the party, even if they’re not full spell casters. Cause one of them is a Paladin and it’s like a hybrid of a fighter and a cleric. But everybody casts spells in the party. And if you have played fifth edition D and D what that means is that they have a set amount of resources that they are finite and they come back after resting, right?

So it’s a restriction in that. In one battle, you can’t cast fireball 57 times as a wizard. There’s only so many uses of fireball that you have, and you get more uses of fireball from either taking like a short or a long rest. And the short rests will give you a limited amount of that resource back.

Whereas long rest gives you everything back and it also fully heals you. So you can be one inch away from dead, but so long as you get eight hours of sleep, you’ll be just fine. And the fifth edition universe. Yeah, which is like, it’s a gamey aspect, but that’s, it’s fine. Like it’s a game, it’s fine for games to have game mechanics.

Right. You can rationalize them however you want in the story, but it’s, it’s fine for it to be gaming. I don’t have a problem with that.

Desiree: It’s supposed to be a game.

Liam: Yeah, you’re supposed to enjoy it. Right. You just play within the boundaries of the rules, like, you know what what’s up. And so do your opponents. So like, if they know that sleeping for eight hours, you’re going to fully recover.

Maybe they don’t let you asleep. Right. And so with a party of four spell casters, what that really translates to is every combat encounter that they’re in after literally every single fight, no matter how minor they want to rest, it’s just guaranteed. They’re going to want to sleep, or at least, cause there’s a warlock in the party.

And they get all of their resources back after a short rest, which is only an hour. So they’re going to at least want to take an hour as a break. And so I’ve had a good deal of success, creating tension for the party, by putting them in situations where there isn’t a chance to rest. So,

Desiree: Oh shit. I could die. Ah!

Liam: It’s just like those, sometimes you don’t have an hour to just sit on your ass.

Sometimes there’s a time crunch, right. Or maybe you do have an hour, but then, you know, something becomes more difficult along the way. Or, you know, the thing that’s following you gets a little bit closer.

Desiree: Catches up. Yeah.

Liam: Things like that. Right. So a lot of the most tense and dangerous situations the guys have found themselves in have been because I’ve written or just incorporated those game aspects into my scenario writing, right? Like when they were trying to breach the defenses of solo clause, there was a, a town that’s under siege by an army of werewolves, basically. Well, were creatures there’s more than just wolves. And so the longer they spend in the field trying to get to the city, the more likely they are to be discovered and have more forces attracted to their position.

So they have to be constantly moving, right. Because they can take a break if they can find something like hidden enough to do so. But then the people around them will become more alert. Like they’ll start congregating in the areas they knew they last were. Right. And to start searching for them.

Desiree: Yeah.

Liam: And so they can just pound their way through, cause they’re quite a powerful party, so they can just like hammer through most combat encounters.

But what about the second one or the third one or the fourth one? It’s especially bad for the, the wizard. Like it wizard you throw three or four wolves in front of him, which at their level, at this point a fighter like a martial class or like a monk or something like that, they could take their sword and they could probably take on 15 or 20 wolves, especially if it was consecutively one after another, they can fight wolves literally all day and not give a shit.

A wizard you throw four or five wolves his way and he just like blows his load on those wolves. And then, well, there’s the second wave of a wolves. Oh my God, what am I supposed to do? So what helped me? I need eight hours to rest.

And it’s, it’s a fun, uh, I I’ve played around at multiple times in the campaign where like, I’ll present a threat that seems like it could be the threat. Right. And so I like, I really like giving my players and their characters, difficult choices. That’s one of my favorite things to do in the campaign. And also in writing is I like to just, I don’t like to decide what’s the right choice. I like to give them two difficult choices and both of them are slight like there what’s the lesser of two evils is basically my, my, my favorite thing to do right there.

Desiree: Catch 22.

Liam: Both kind of bad and you have to choose which one you think is less bad. Right. And then I like the choices having consequences. Right. So, whichever one does get chosen, that’s the one that like gets doubled down on. So there there’ve been a lot of instances like that in the campaign and they will very likely be more as we continue forward, because that’s the way I like to structure these stories is a very much, I like to, I like to present difficult choices and not have any correct answer. I just want, I’m interested to see what their answer will be when they get to it. And there definitely have been some times

Desiree: Do they like this version of storytelling?

Liam: I don’t, I, I guess so they keep coming back. So hopefully they,

Desiree: Get their interest, right?

Liam: Hopefully they do. There’s definitely been some times where like I’ve presented difficult choices for them and they’ve chosen like a third option. I never even imagined. And then I have to kind of extrapolate from there.

And that’s always exciting. There are definitely been some times where they choose an option. I didn’t even know was an option. So.

Desiree: You’re like, oh, oops. There’s that option too? Whoop. do I do now?

Liam: Very organic way of story, like organic storytelling, right? There have definitely been times like, cause they, they have on one of their characters that have an amulet that I put in front of them and I never begrudge any members of my party for using anything that I’ve put in front of them.

If there’s something on a bad guy or anything I put into the world, whether or not it’s behind Fort Knox, I can always anticipate at some point I have to be okay with the players somehow whining up with this in their possession. Cause I put it in the world. So it might one day wind up in their hands. So I don’t mind that this is an item that they have.

It’s a necklace of magical prayer beads. And I rolled when I put the necklace into the world as a part of that loot in an dwarven ruin that they’re in. And I’m like, all right, these beads, depending on the type of gem or jewel, that’s on these prayer beads, they contain a single cast of a spell and that necklace, power refreshes on Dawn of every day.

So you just get a whole like necklace or free spells basically. And they’re not like huge, massive sweeping spells. Not all of them. Most of them are quite minor, but they’re just like a nice benefit to have when the guys perspective that they’re like, oh, this is kind of cool, but I don’t even know if we need this.

And like, they’re thinking about selling it or melting it at one point. But now it’s definitely become one of their most used magical items because there’s a few spells in there that are very, very useful and they don’t require any of that resource. I was talking about before for you to use it’s all the power comes from the necklace and

Desiree: It’s an object.

Liam: An object.

Yeah. One of the spells, the one that like really does throw the narrative for a loop every time they use it is they have a high-level spell from that necklace called summon plainer ally. And what that does is it allows you to contact a higher being and ask either them directly or a representative of that higher being for help you call them to your location for a conversation.

And then you can request something from them and they can fulfill your request if they receive adequate compensation. Which is

Desiree: Or they could, f you up, right? Yeah.

Liam: Mostly, it’s just like the, the conversation is guaranteed. The consequences are not, and it’s so open-ended, it’s like anytime they pull that thing out, I have to just like, come up with whatever the fuck is actually going to happen, especially because they can contact any higher being that they’re aware of, which basically has all of the gods and like their individual patrons or like specific celestial beings could be, could be devils or demons.

They don’t know any of them to call specifically.

Desiree: Literally a roll the dice.

Liam: Yeah, it could be right. So when they call some being, I have to think, all right, what would that being do? Like what would his representative look like? Or their representative look like? What would their reaction be to this request? What would they require to refill fulfill this request? And would they even be able to do it?

Right? So there’s, it’s such a huge open-ended thread to put in the hands of the players with the only limitation being that they can do it. It takes 10 minutes to cast and they can do it once a day. Like it’s not a big limitation,

Desiree: No.

Liam: So there’s a lot of times where something goes wrong or something’s outside of their abilities currently.

And the, like, let’s just ask a God for help, but they have come to understand that the necklace is not a solve your problem necklace. It’s a create new problem necklace because the examples that they give when in the necklaces listed or, well, not the necklace itself, but the conjure plainner ally is like, it gives you a little bit of an idea of, okay.

So one of the things this other plainer being might request is a set amount of gold donated to a church that worships their deity or whatever. And I say, fuck that I don’t want any of my plainer beings that come to want any kind of monetary gain. They all want you to do something for them. You want them to do something for you.

They want you to do something for them. So no matter what, anytime they summon a planner being, it’s basically activating a complete nother side quest. So they might receive an answer to the problem they’re currently on. But all it will do is just create another. Consistently every time.

Desiree: You’re taking inspiration from Xena, kind of whenever you talk to any of those gods, they always want something.

Liam: Yeah. It’s like, yeah. Okay. I’ll do something for you, but you gotta do something for me. And most of the time you gotta do something for me first. So yeah. That during this, this came up because during the last session, they, and it was a quite a fun session. Like I said, I have the town that they’re investigating quite fully fleshed out.

And well-written, there’s a lot of characters they haven’t even touched on yet, but the ones that they did interact with, I was really happy with the interactions that they did have. It’s nice to have a really good, solid idea of the people that are in the city, how they’re interacting with everybody and how the party fits into those interactions.

And so they went to go. Investigate, or it turns out interrogate a person that was the mayor’s wife. Right. So they go to the mayor’s house, they’re talking to the mayor’s wife and they deduce rather quickly that she isn’t very being very truthful with them when they’re talking to her. She’s in fact, lying through her teeth. Barely anything she said that was true at all.

Sometimes there was like things that were true, but not the whole truth, but most of these, she was just cause they were asking questions that she was not going to answer truthfully. And so, they picked up on the fact that she’s just lying straight to their face. And so they started trying to, you know, go harder in, out on interrogating the mayor’s wife.

And I really enjoyed that interaction between the party and my NPC, because most of the time, the NPC that they interact with are cordial. Right? There’s your random peasant on the street. You give them some money and you’re charming enough. They’re not gonna like be overly ornery, especially when you give money.

Right. But if someone has a motivation to be antagonistic to the party, then yeah you can’t charm say like you can use a spell to mind control somebody to do something they don’t want to do, but charm only gets you so far. Right. You can’t persuade somebody to change their way of life, just through a conversation.

Right. You can’t like change a person’s entire belief system with a good roll. It’s gotta be more than that and

Desiree: She’s a politicians wife of course she’s used to lying.

Liam: Right. Yeah. And like, there’s, there’s a lot of reasons for why she wouldn’t be saying like speaking the truth or whatever. But the they’re there in town to find what is essentially a CIA like it’s a, it’s a counter intelligence agency in my universe that they’re the anti espionage group.

One of their spies, basically their assassins has gone rogue, turncoat maybe might actually be a traitor to the union, the, the entire continent. And so they’re here looking for this person that killed their partner and then left the service. And so they’re inquiring about their past and their whereabouts with their own contacts. And they like finish this interrogation with the mayor’s wife. And her mother kicks them out of the house because they’re being threatening towards this lady, but they don’t have like a real leg to stand on because they have, this is their first interaction. They don’t have any legal documentation to force them to do anything.

So she kicks them out and as they leave, they are brought into an alley with cries for help. And when they get to this alley there’s somebody that they’d met recently in the town, a fortune teller. That was definitely a she was a fake, right. She’s just swindling people out of their money.

But she’s getting shaken down by two thugs who don’t appreciate her being a swindler. And so the palladen being the palladen he steps in and the other guys are like, they’re kind of itching for a fight cause they spent most of the session doing intrigue. And so they’re like, all right, we can beat up on some thugs.

They surround the thugs. And then the old lady explodes because she had been rigged with explosive runes from their mark. The assassin had set this up specifically to get the drop on them. And so they get knocked on their asses from the explosion. There’s just three dead, civilians and the whole party of four stunned or prone as this assassin starts this fight.

And that’s how we ended our session with the assassin tearing through them. Pretty good. They they gave it,

Desiree: Wait, way to be a real bad guy. Make the old lady blow up.

Liam: Oh yeah. She was just bits and pieces. There was not much left. I actually had on the terrain, like little gibbits. So you could see the remains of the old lady.

Desiree: You’re sick.

Liam: I’m like, I’ve got these little blood tokens. Yeah. And it’s in the canal district. So they crossed over a bridge into a cul-de-sac.

So it was like a cul-de-sac and they were blocked off from just running across, like out of the alley. And that was, it was really fun. They had some real close calls with the party. I’ve had close calls with the party before, but she absolutely had the ability to murder one or more of them.

But, it would not have benefit, like her motivations, it wouldn’t have really made too much sense with the character because she could have focused on one of them and just murder them out right, but there would have been no guarantee she would have survived. So just going from the motivations of the character, like she was targeting the highest threat priority targets consistently every turn and doing like her thing.

So she could have straight up just murdered one of them and had them be done and gone and then maybe gotten away. But the way I ran the fight is she, she controlled the fight for most of the time and put the hurt on every single one of them until it got to the point where it was getting pretty bad, but they were absolutely tapped for resources that they had nothing left.

And so they couldn’t prevent her from leaving. And so she left with her, one of her companions that joined in the fight with her.

Desiree: So the assassination’s a female.

Liam: Yeah. Yeah.

Desiree: Yeah.

Liam: Yeah. And I’m quite a bit different from what had been described to them though. What had been described to them from their contacts in the the organization was already scary enough, but she’s a lot more demonized than they expected.

Desiree: She blew up an old woman. I think that tells you everything.

Liam: Well, that’s within her regular MO she’s pretty ruthless to begin with, but yeah, I had a lot of fun.

Desiree: Now that, that begs the question who’s sicker you or her or you, cause you created her?

Liam: Oh, it’s definitely me. It’s for sure me cause she’s a fictional character and I’ve got to write like the world around her and like all of the organization involved in her, like all of the motivations and all that sort of stuff. It’s definitely me by far. Other than the fact that I’ve got the moral compass to not actually do that.

Desiree: No, that’s what this stuff is. Cathartic. We would never do any of this shit in real life.

Liam: No, no. I would never be. I don’t enjoy inflicting pain on others. Not physical pain anyway, like I said, I do like creating mental strain for people, but the physical pain that just, I don’t enjoy it.

Desiree: I don’t like doing either, but I’m a big marshmallow, except for when you mess with me, my family or my friends, then I’m then I’m the marshmallow man that doesn’t get zapped.

Liam: Well, I like, I like to challenge people, right? Like I, especially for entertainment purposes, right. Or for training or growth purposes, I do like to put people in a position where they need to grow. Right. I do like that. That’s fun. But not if it’s physically demand, like, not, if it’s physically painful, I don’t, I don’t appreciate that. So,

Desiree: Yeah, I think you get that from Dad. You like to challenge people. Hmm. I wonder who that sounds like?

Liam: Well, I also like to challenge myself, right. So it’s just a part of that. I very much, my outlook on life is I like to treat other people as like how I would like to be treated, which in most cases means I like to leave people alone because that’s what I would appreciate. So

Desiree: Mom’s always like, oh Liam doesn’t have anybody, right? He must be lonely. I’m like, Mom, he’s not like us. He’s not lonely.

Liam: No, I would, I,

Desiree: He’s quite happy. Leave him alone.

Liam: Very much do unto others as you would have do onto you. Right. So don’t talk to me. I don’t talk to you because I wouldn’t want to be talked to. Right. That’s just like, we can all be completely content here, silent.

Desiree: Yeah, you’re more silent than I am for sure. bit more of a chatterbox. Mom being the biggest one, but I don’t know between Mom and Dad: I’m not sure, but if I’m glad I’m in that circle, otherwise we’d never talk.

Liam: Right. I mean, I got into shit. Cause I didn’t talk to mom often enough when I was living outside the house as it is. I just, you know, I’m just not talkative sort. Not usually anyway.

Desiree: You get calls from Dad- call your mother .Now you live there. It’s okay.

Liam: Yeah. Hey, there’s more communication. But like that was a fun session. I really did enjoy that. The guys haven’t had a primary villain that is, as in your face, as this one has been from the get-go. They have definitely run across significant villains, but usually they’re at the end of a long ordeal. The necromancer with the silver tongue through Zakho reus, where they went into a undead ancient necropolis, and they fought through his amalgamations of like undead and beastial monstrosities along with stone constructs and deadly spirits.

And they get to the necromancer who is like incredulous that they destroyed all of his toys and raided his home. So they apologize and escort them out. Like that there was that, right? There was the, the Seder clan that ambushed and attacked their home city and like basically wage war against solo calos.

And they fought them back like tower by tower, eventually chase them to their home, like pride rock and destroyed all of their soldiers and their chieftain at the very end where they’re the shaman that was controlling all of them changed into a lesser demon and disappeared. Like they they’ve had bigger bad guys that they’ve fought or interacted with, but never has one been like what’s up edges and just fucking. Ambush them just start it off with like, yeah. The we’re not doing the power Rangers thing or the Kung Fu typical I’ll send my MOOCs out. It’s the, I’m an assassin. And I know that you’re asking about me. Like maybe the person, the assasin didn’t anticipate they would be quite so durable. Cause the party is quite a strong party.

So perhaps they thought they could take them on by themselves. And maybe now they’ll have to readjust that assessment, but they were full agro right from the start.

Desiree: Of a, yeah, it’s still less than, like the other ones sound like boss battles, you know, you work up to it. Pyramid style, like a video game. This was like, no, I low-key stab you in the chest run away.

Liam: This, this one’s very much the, so what if the boss heard that the hero was coming to kill them and then just decided to try to kill them while they were a level one. Right. It’s just like, well, I’m not gonna wait for them to level up, I’ll just go kill them. Now – I’ve got a horse, right?

Desiree: I saw a meme that, immediately made me think of you, but of course you don’t do social media. So I remembered it. It said in real life, I saw this half naked man running with a guitar after a chicken. And all I thought was bard level one in real life.

Liam: Nice.

Desiree: I never thought I’d see a bard in real life

Liam: Just to be careful if that if that chicken’s got like knives on its legs or whatever that bard might be in trouble.

Desiree: Chicken razor beak.

Liam: Yeah. If it’s, if it’s a fighting cock better, watch out.

Desiree: I was going over the transcripts obviously recently. And I just remember the conversation we had about the wet paper towel being an actual level, one bad guy.

Liam: Oh yeah. Yeah. I’ll remember that. I can do it. Animated objects are like, depending on the size of the animated object, their something that a level one venture might not even be able to handle like a Chesterfield you better watch out.

Desiree: Gump from wizard of Oz has got a reindeer head chasing after you.

Liam: Well, I mean, he didn’t even have a body, so you’d have to be pretty weak. The lose to that. I would imagine.

Desiree: It could bite. It’s got a head.

Liam: Yeah.

Desiree: Some of the weird stuff we come up with, so Teela is also for my website, she’s doing a section for portfolio, so stuff I’ve already made and she wanted some pictures of people smiling with stuff that I’ve made them. So if I could get, I’ll ask for a picture of her mom and dad and you as well, but that’s what those ones are that are there.

Public, my friends already answered

Liam: I’ve got decorations all over my room that you’ve made me, so that’s not hard to do.

Desiree: Yeah. I’ll, I’ll tell Mom and she’ll remind you guys, hopefully, and then I can get some stuff up on there too. So I’ll have three sections, open blog, creative questions, about us and then the portfolio portfolio. So anything that I sell, she wants to redirect that sale page to the portfolio page so that if someone say clicks on something, I stare in social media and that one’s already sold, they still get to see the pictures.

And then underneath will be like, if you like this, this is something similar this one’s sold out kind of thing, because a lot of my work is custom. So it just.

Liam: Yeah, I’m looking forward to that to the site coming up. It does look good.

Desiree: It It does. I spent 80 bucks on that skin. It’s worth it. I mean, I’m not paying technically Teela for doing the site. I mean, I helped her with her servers and stuff, but I I’m not paying her. So I really appreciate it. Yeah. This one was for laptop sales. That’s what it was made for. So that’s all like cool.

And right now it’s half laptop and half me. So that’s why it’s not fully able to go yet.

Liam: Yeah. When I originally made my website, I think it was originally for bicycles or something like that, but yeah, that

Desiree: Well, if I found most of the darkest stuff is usually gaming. So like PCs and like, yeah. Cause I wanted a dark background. I prefer that over the white, I hate white backgrounds. I change everything to dark. If I have the option, dark mode,

Liam: Yeah, which is funny because I’m the opposite,

Desiree: I don’t like the white light they bother my eyes. I get really bad migraines. So that’s why.

Liam: Yeah. I just like everything to be brighter.

Desiree: I have not turned my phone up, I’ve turned my tablet up because I watch shows on it and those are really dark. So I’ve turned up the brightness, but I’ve never turned up the brightness more than half on my phone.

Liam: I did watch another show since I’ve been on vacation. And I had, like, I had nothing to do. I was between games and I wasn’t feeling well or whatever. And so I watched another show sort of, I can’t say I ever watched it like fully, because I did the thing where I’m like, I’m just going to skip past this part, especially it’s especially easy nowadays, because when you look like when you hover over a progress bar, it gives you the preview of the scene, right? So you can see when this scene is done. Right. And I’m just like, I’m done with the scene, I’m onto the next scene. And I’m just like, fuck this.

Desiree: What show?

Liam: It was called Queens gambit. I’d heard a lot about it. Right. It’s about chess. Right. But what, really interested me was learning about chess.

Like not about chess, but about like a person that is hyper-focused on chess. And it was basically everything else that I had didn’t care about.

Desiree: This is a drama. Fast forward the drama. Fast forward!

Liam: Yeah. I just don’t care. I’m like, I put up with it for the first few episodes. I just don’t care. It’s just, but that’s the majority of the show like I said I did watch it sort of.

Desiree: Sort of.

Liam: It definitely was not for me as an audience. Yeah, I’m not the kind of person that would appreciate that sort of thing.

Desiree: There is one show the Dori and I watch it here. Cause we were talking about different types of genres or shows, we watched north of 60, which is definitely a drama it’s about a native reserve band up in alberta. So like it’s a hundred percent drama.

Liam: So north of 60, that would be the latitude.

Desiree: Latitude yes. And so it’s actually made in Canada, it’s all Canadian and all the people on it are native as well.

So it’s really interesting. It’s all the native channel and that’s how Dori got to watching it again. Cause one of his friends from school when he was going to school in Vancouver actually was it. So we watched that one it’s 100% drama definitely.

Liam: Well, that’s a completely different ecosystem up north. Not just like terrain wise, but like culture wise, it’s completely different. There’s well, for one thing, there’s very few people that actually do live up there. Like 90% of Canada’s population lives along the Southern border, but, uh, up

Desiree: They don’t even have roads up there. They have to get everything flown in by plane and like the little ones.

Liam: Like the cost of living apparently is just absurd for

Desiree: Yeah,

Liam: Very sub quality products.

Desiree: Well, most of the series they’re talking about, you know, getting sewage, cause they don’t have it or they’re talking about out houses negative 40, like stuff like that. Like they have water, they have electricity, but they don’t really have sewage. I’m like, oh man, that was suck. Stuff like that. So that’s like the only drama I like to watch.

I’ve been watching home-improvement Hey

Liam: Oh really?

Desiree: Jonathan Taylor Thomas is still hot.

Liam: I mean, at our age now, if like

Desiree: He’s 40 now. I went and looked he’s Dori’s age.

Liam: Okay. Yeah. just like, yeah, like he could be attractive nowadays. Sure. But back then, that’s, that’s icky.

Desiree: He is older than me when I was watching it. I was the younger brother’s age. Dori was his age. They went with the real ages.

Liam: Okay.

Desiree: Yeah. So it’s just funny though.

Liam: Mom’s been watching golden girls.

Desiree: I love that show, but the theme song, even before Betty White died made me cry. So no matter what, I’m going to cry when I see that. Thank you for being her friend song. I can’t, I can’t, it makes me cry every time.

I don’t know why it’s just an auto cry.

Liam: I can’t do shows with laugh tracks anymore. Like I can do the ones that I was familiar with growing up, but I can’t do new ones. Like,

Desiree: That’s fair. Well, did you not watch the golden girls at all?

Liam: No, it was never even on reruns when we were, when I was a kid. Anyway. Not, not

anything really on tV.

Yeah. It was past my time for me. It was friends. Right. I can, I can watch friends.

No problem. Cause I’ve watched like every episode of all like 10 seasons and I can remember episodes,

Desiree: home improvement. Home improvement has a laugh track too.

Liam: It does. That’s why I was thinking about it. I was just like, I can’t really watch it.

Desiree: But you watched that when we were kids. So

Liam: Yeah. A few episodes. It was, again, it was like a fresh prince of Bel air. It was a little bit before my time.

Desiree: Yeah, I haven’t watched much of Fresh Prince either.

Liam: Whereas friends was, that was my time. Right when I was in high school. That’s right in the middle of when friends was airing. So

Desiree: It’s weird because they’re getting a resurgence. So people in the generation below us that really like it. And I’m like, why you guys didn’t grow up with it? You don’t have the excuse for not being able to see the misogyny. I don’t understand.

Liam: I mean, it could still be funny whether or not it’s a misogynistic or not.

Desiree: I know, but they all look at things, you know, like if I was looking at it again with brand new eyes, I wouldn’t like the show. The only reason I like it now, partially I only partially like it is nostalgia. So

Yeah cause I don’t know. I kind of hate all the characters.

Liam: I mean, people during our childhood and stuff like that, like you can still find shows like mash funny or even older than that. Right? Like, Just because a show is old and has different sensibilities and completely different styles doesn’t mean that you can enjoy it at a later time.

Like I like Colombo, but there’s definitely like problematic episodes at Colombo.

That’s not gonna stop me from enjoying it.

Desiree: I have watched that lately. The good thing is Colombo Wasn’t misogynistic if you watch. But everybody around him was.

Liam: I mean, it was, it was like the seventies or whatever. So he was just like a character in a bunch of different seventies situations.

Desiree: Yeah. And you’re right. It was really bad watching those, or even like, ah, we’ve been watching murder she wrote two sometimes. And the way they Gaslight that woman, I just really want to smack them across the face.

Liam: Whereas it doesn’t particularly bother me, but especially because it’s, it’s written at the time, but I also don’t like, I don’t like it when things overcompensate for stuff as it is anyway, I’ll I, it doesn’t have to be too modern. Right. Well, I, one of the things that, of the, the other show that I’ve watched this last year that I actually didn’t really appreciate was, the show I’m talking about is arcane was it’s musical choices.

The, the show’s characters are very like punk rock or steam punk style characters, but the music that they chose for both the intro and the majority of the show is like super pop, like very, like it’s imagine dragons that’s top 100 stuff. Right. And it just felt

Desiree: I do like imagine dragons, but it doesn’t sound like it would match at all.

Liam: It felt completely out of place for me, especially because these characters are coming from a video game where every character individually, has their own theme song, and none of them are anywhere close to what imagine dragons is like. Right. so especially for a character like VI, which you wouldn’t be familiar with, but she like both aesthetically, but also like in her own personal theme song always reminded me more of like pink, the artist pink.

Right. so like when you’re expecting that and you get, imagine dragons and instead I was just like, yeah, that was my only complaint about the show. The rest of the show was

Desiree: Skip intro

Liam: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The rest of the show was awesome. And it’s just that like, sometimes that, that music was incorporated in scenes where I’m like, man, I just wish they had good music for this. And like, maybe it’s just me being like old man shakes fist at cloud. Right. It’s like, it’s very modern. Right. I don’t think it’s appropriate. Right?

Desiree: That’s fair music though, Doron I’ve been talking about that lately is like music and TV shows and movies and movies. It, they don’t go anymore. When it used to be really like about selling those tracks and about bringing those musicians to the forefront. It’s not really the same anymore.

There isn’t this juxtaposition of music and show or music and movie anymore.

Liam: Music is mostly made for commercials nowadays. Right. Um, or

Desiree: And they’re using old stuff. They’re really using old stuff.

Liam: Yeah, but I mean, that’s, that’s, that’s been true for ages. There’s tons of songs from our generation that were just like a remix or a refurbished or whatever of a 20 year old song as it was at that time. So.

Desiree: That doesn’t bother me with the commercials or using old stuff. Like president’s choice right now is using Backstreet boys from when I was a kid.

Liam: Yeah. They,

Desiree: And then I, I, there was a commercial for, I think it was Bosley’s. It was paint your wagon. I’m not fricking kidding. Yeah. I was like, no one knows this song.

Liam: From a soundtrack. Geez.

Desiree: I know, and I, and it was a dog in a carrier in front of this guy. Paint your wagon and I’m like, oh my God, whoa, this is weird. Yeah. And no one knows what that is. Nobody. That was, yeah. I was so like weirded out when I saw that commercial, my commercials have gone weird.

Liam: But like I don’t like it when things are like forced into places that they don’t belong. That’s what I was getting at right. So it’s just like if a cast is diverse, let it be diverse, but don’t try to force it, right. If a song or a modern song doesn’t belong in the setting,

Don’t use it or have a good reason for it.

Right? Like a good example of something that, uh a movie that did this really well was actually a Knight’s tale. Right. Cause a Knight’s tale. When I came out, it uses a whole bunch of music from like the seventies. Right. Or like late seventies, early eighties, but it’s set in the medieval period.

Desiree: Right. Uh,I’m not sure how they manage that, but it worked

Liam: Yeah. And they did it and they did or at least I heard from an interview, it was a deliberate choice because the people that the movie was marketing to that would be ancient music to them. Right. Because it came out for teenagers in the nineties or whatever, it was like early two thousands.

Like it came out at that point. So music from the seventies, literally wasn’t before the time they were born, this is their like maybe not even their parents music. Right.

Desiree: Oh, that’s funny because we grew up liking that stuff. So it didn’t seem that weird to us.

Liam: While it was still even, even for our mom’s taste, which is mostly the person that would listen to music in the, in the house, that’s still on the, the she’s on the very start of that. Like the only song we would really recognize would be queen and ACDC, which was from the credits. Right. But the rest of that, like BTO and stuff I got, that was from before her time.

Right. So it was mostly seventies, not eighties.

Desiree: What’s interesting for that too. I was just thinking about it. There was another show like that for I lost it. Nevermind.

Liam: So, so I like it when, if it’s a deliberate style choice, right? Like I like that, like, cause of like, we will rock you does not belong in a nice tail except it fits because that’s all of the music is from that like era from that generation, it’s a really good deliberate choice. It was one of them. I, my, my major complaints with the captain Marvel movie is I felt like they, they made the deliberate choice to have all of their music taken her from female bands like female led bands.

But I felt like they just didn’t get any of the good music from that decade because it was also a period piece in the 90s.

Desiree: Well, they did for, they did the same thing for birds of prey and did it well.

Cause everybody on the birds of prey was a female artists, but they did it right.

Liam: Yeah. How’d you get nineties, female artists and not include like, there’s just a whole laundry list of people that didn’t make it into that soundtrack. And as a Marvel movie, I’m sure they had the budget to be able to afford them.

Desiree: Yeah. There only was one. I think it was one song I was happy about and it was pink. I think that was it.

Liam: I was waiting for pink. I didn’t see like nearly any of it. Right. But I also like if naked, right. Or Joan jet, or like all these other artists where it’s just like, but also Beyonce as well. Right. It’s just like, that’s her during her heyday.

Desiree: Definitely.

Liam: Right. Or what about the pop stuff during that time?

Cause there were a lot of female pop artists during that time as well. Cause like the, the soundtrack was very like hip hop and rock, but also could have incorporated pop too.

Desiree: Could have. There was a lot of girl power songs, then it was the nineties. So it was all about girl power man, early nineties, two thousands. Like it really was, it was kind of like an anti-feminist thing almost in a way, because we thought we were superior to men just because of how that’s, how it wasn’t a nineties.

Liam: But, um,

But I just felt like they didn’t, they didn’t do a good job of it.

Desiree: No, they could have had better music. I agree. the thing I’ve remembered it I saw a thing on Facebook and they said back to the future -people, our age are showing their kids to a movie and the kids have a hard time understanding when it’s the forties and when it’s the eighties, because they look the same to them now. Because the technology has changed so much to now that they both seem so far away, they couldn’t tell the difference between the forties and the eighties.

Liam: I believe it.

Desiree: Like, oh, that’s a weird thing to think about though. But it’s true kids these days don’t have no idea

Liam: Yeah.

Desiree: The difference between those.

Liam: I mean, there isn’t a phone or a tablet in the site for either of those generations.

Desiree: No, it was a weird thing to think of what make us feel old again. I can do this every single time.

Liam: Oh, yeah. Anytime I want to feel all that. Just think about that the first toy story movie came out in 1995. That’s all I have to think about.

Desiree: I graduated elementary school in 98. Yeah. That’s a while ago.

Liam: Yeah. Toy story 1 19 95. So at this point, 26 years ago,

So or 27, we’re in 22 now. Yeah. 27 years ago.

Desiree: So this is our first episode of the new year. I’m going to call this season two. Season one was 2021. Makes sense to me. So we’re, we’re back to one again for, for season 2, 2022.

Liam: Season two 2022.

Desiree: Yeah. And we gone a little overtime. So I’m probably gonna, just gonna wrap it up unless there’s something really important you want to go over?

Liam: Nope. The only thing I really did was write a whole bunch of stuff for D and D this week. And I got a chance to talk about that, and I was really happy with our session. I’m looking forward to more of that in the future. So that’s all I want to talk about.

Desiree: Thanks to mom and dad. I got pictures from them about all this stuff that is going to the suite looks great. I don’t know if you’ve seen it recently. And I just want to say, thanks everybody for listening. This has been the brother sister pair of Desiree and Liam Hewlett. And if you would like, you could definitely check our stuff out.

Liam’s solo quest for the pictures under creative questions, season two, episode one,

Liam: Yup. Soon you’ll be able to see it on the creative questions website.

Desiree: Yes. And I will definitely make an announcement for that, but definitely check out the sneaky peaks. Hopefully within the next week making no promises. We are also on pod bean, which is the one that goes to all these other different ones and on YouTube.

And if you want to take a look at any of my creative endeavors lately, new nerd novelties on Instagram or Facebook.

Liam: Alrighty.

Desiree: Thanks. Thanks for joining me, Liam. And thanks everybody for listening. Have yourself a great day!

Liam: Yup have a good night.